10 Facts That Point Out LaVoy Was Murdered

LaVoy2The murder of LaVoy Finicum, a Constitutional activist, late last January has raised the ire of many across the Nation. The initial narrative clung to by law enforcement officials, that they did not fire upon Mr. Finicum until he was believed to be reaching for a firearm, has been proven a categorical lie and left tattered in the bloody Eastern Oregon snowbank it originated in. Upon reviewing the hundreds of pages of documents made available by the Deschutes County Sheriff investigation team regarding the shooting, several facts have been made clear, confirmed and a few new ones exposed. The picture that is drawn is troubling to say the least and confirms the worst fears and suspicions of many Patriots since the beginning.

Also hundreds of emails (that will be detailed in further articles) from the Governor Kate Brown’s office draws a picture that extends into the White House itself. Drawing upon those documents and from sources present on the ground at the Occupation and those incarcerated with Ammon Bundy we will now draw you the most complete truthful catalog available of the stop and the command decisions leading up to the murder of LaVoy Finicum and it’s repercussions. We will begin with the traffic stop and botched execution of the members of the Bundy Convoy on that cold, desolate Eastern Oregon 395 Highway.

1st is the revelation of Oregon State Police Officers involved in the planning of the highway ambush that the road block was moved from Grant County, as originally planned by the FBI, to occur within Harney County specifically to insure Grant County Sheriff Glenn Palmer was not involved in the traffic stop. This was done according to the deposition of an Oregon State Police Officer because “I knew going into it there was a Sheriff in Grant County supporting the movement or the ideology behind what they were pushing…was a large amount of community members in Grant County, that supported their beliefs and had similar Constitutional beliefs, and to the point of the Grant County making it clear they are a U.N. Free Zone…” When asked if this is the reason the traffic stop was moved to Harney County that officer replied, “Absolutely”. The FBI originally intended to conduct the operation in Grant county as they believed, with Sheriff Palmer’s relationship with the Malhuer Activists and their trust of him, that the probability of a peaceful resolution was greater in Grant County than Harney County. This decision was overridden by Oregon State Police and the FBI Tactical specifically to reverse that probability. A reasonable person could easily conclude from that fact, that Oregon State Police and the FBI Tactical Team wanted to create the opportunity for violent confrontation.

2nd is the fact, corroborated by video evidence, that Law Enforcement Officials failed to identify themselves or provide credentials when asked by both LaVoy Finicum and Ryan Bundy. In the recently released Shawna Cox video (taken from inside the passenger compartment of Finicum’s truck) LaVoy and Ryan Bundy clearly ask the officers to step forward and identify themselves several times. Law Enforcement fail to do so with each and every request. In fact during depositions in the investigation report officers describe how they adorned “civilian type” clothing to avoid being detected by Patriot members whom Law Enforcement believed was conducting counter surveillance upon them. In testimony by Law Enforcement identified only as “Officer 4” it is revealed that “FBI” team members failed to truthfully identify themselves to even Oregon State Police Officers, and were identified by fictitious first names only. (Pg. 151-152)

Palmer13rd, also backed up by the Cox video, is LaVoy’s clear statements that he intended to travel further up Highway 395 to meet Sheriff Glenn Palmer, where he felt safe, and that the officers were welcome to follow him. This is of great importance because LaVoy was within his clear rights to do so unimpeded. The law states; “If you suspect that the person trying to pull you over is not a police officer (for example, he or she is driving an unmarked car), you do not have to immediately pull over. Instead, put your flashers on, indicate that you acknowledge the ‘officer’s” presence by waving at him, continue driving at the speed limit towards a busy, well-lit area, and call 911. Inform the 911 dispatcher that you are worried that someone posing as a police officer is trying to pull you over. Tell the dispatcher your current location and direction of travel as well as the make and model of your car. Do not get out of your car until the 911 dispatcher can confirm that person trying to pull you over is a real police officer. If the dispatcher cannot confirm that the person, carefully drive to a safe place such as your local police station and follow all of the dispatcher’s additional instructions.” Remember Law Enforcement failed to identify themselves, were in “civilian type” apparel, were driving unmarked vehicles and cell phone service to reach 911 was unavailable do to the location of the ambush.

4th, LaVoy Finicum’s vehicle and it’s occupants were fired upon by Law Enforcement at the initial traffic stop. According to Officer’s own testimony, Finicum’s vehicle was struck by a 40 mm grenade round. Ryan Payne, a fellow activist riding in the front passenger seat of LaVoy’s truck who exited the vehicle to identify the individuals conducting the stop, was struck in the left arm also by a 40 mm grenade. Confirming Shawna Cox’s testimony that the side mirror was struck by live fire, copper shards consistent with a bullet jacket was recovered from the remains of the side view mirror. Finicum did not flee the scene until after he and his passengers had been fired upon by unidentified individuals, in civilian clothing, driving unmarked vehicles.

Roadblock15th, the roadblock established by the Oregon State Police was illegal as ruled by the United States Supreme Court as it did not allow an avenue of egress for the fleeing vehicle nor did it allow sufficient time or distance for a vehicle to come safely to a stop. The term for this type of road block according to the United States Supreme Court is a “Dead-mans Roadblock.” This is appropriately deemed a Dead-mans Roadblock because there was no alternative course of travel and the roadblock was placed at the end of a blind turn in which the driver could not see the roadblock with sufficient time to react and effect a stop before colliding with the components of the roadblock. A roadblock in and of itself is use of deadly force and in some cases unlawful seizure. The Justice Departments own policy on pursuits and roadblocks read; “Fixed roadblocks are extremely dangerous and are rarely justifiable.”, “…When the road is totally blocked, so that even a slow moving vehicle cannot go around—or through—safely, the degree of risk is heightened. When a complete blockage of the roadway is undertaken, officers should ensure that the oncoming suspect has a clear view of the roadblock, and has ample time to stop safely, should he or she decide to do so. This complete blockage usually represents a higher level of control, and could be constitutionally unreasonable unless properly managed.” As seen in the video, LaVoy clearly applied brakes and kept them on until his vehicle came to a stop 40’ past the point of intended impact with the vehicles used to block the roadway. His brake lights come on midway between the two sign posts and stayed on. He simply could not stop and averted a horrific impact which would have injured and killed the other occupants of the vehicle as well as the officials standing behind and around the trucks. This was a completely intentional, inappropriate use of deadly force. It was in conflict with the US Dept of Justice’s Restrictive policies for High Speed Police Pursuits.

6th Finicum’s vehicle began, once again, taking live fire this time from .223 rifle fire at the exact moment the vehicle crested the corner and approached the ambush. Finicum was never provided the opportunity to slow his vehicle before Law Enforcement began using deadly force, .223 rounds were found to have penetrated the windshield, hood and radiator prior to LaVoy ditching his vehicle into the snow bank. This is confirmed by the FBI drone surveillance video, the Cox cellphone video and officer’s testimony. In testimony the officer that discharged his weapon stated he felt justified in using deadly force due to “It was clear to me, the speed the truck was traveling…was traveling at a speed which I knew from my training and experience, it was…it became apparent to me based off my training and experience as a crash, you know, technician, and overall time as a police officer, I knew there was…it had crossed the threshold of being able to stop prior to…that’s when I felt the use of force was my only option…” In short, the officer discharged his weapon, exercising his intent to implement deadly force and justified that action, because in his training and expertise there was not enough time for the suspect vehicle to stop safely. This confirms point 5 that the roadblock was illegal and intended as an ambush.

7th, contrary to initial officer and FBI statements immediately following the execution, Law Enforcement did discharge their weapons prior to the point LaVoy was perceived to reach for a potential weapon. LaVoy Finicum and the occupants of the truck were fired upon for a 3rd time in a sustained manner, almost immediately upon LaVoy’s vehicle coming to rest in the snowbank. As the Cox video clearly depicts, upon impact Mr. Finicum exits the driver side door of his vehicle, his hands clearly, indisputably raised in the air in the universal sign of surrender and almost simultaneously a bullet strikes the door frame near Finicum’s head, followed mere moments by at least one, possibly two, rounds that shatter the drivers side passenger window next to LaVoy. It is at that point LaVoy walks away from his vehicle clearly yelling “shoot me”, “you’re gonna have to shoot me”. Shawna Cox and April Sharp have stated they believe LaVoy did this in an attempt to direct the officers murderous fire away from them and the vehicle. Sometime during this exchange another round, believed to be a larger, heavier .308 bullet, punched through the roof of the cab of the pick up and out a passenger window. It is thought that this was the round that wounded Ryan Bundy in the shoulder. Due to the caliber of the bullet an FBI HRT member is most likely responsible for the shot. With the severe steep angle of the shot, it is obvious that the shooter was in an extreme elevated position and gives credence to Victoria Sharp’s claims of snipers in the trees of the ambush zone.

8th, Law Enforcement had no expectation of the traffic stop to resolve in arrests. Officer testimony clearly states that the ultimate termination of the plan was to conclude, in what they believed to be three vehicles, being driven and pursued into the road block where a final resolution to the incident would be processed. Law Enforcement did not even have arrest warrants for the members of the convoy. Testimony of “Officer 4” and Oregon State Policeman “An had infor-basically knowledge they had um,…uh…an active, uh, arrest warrant for ’em….uh, not warrant, but uh,…um…information they could be detained.” This is confirmed by further numerous depositions of other officers that they were not aware of, advised of or ever viewed any actual arrest warrants or charges to be brought against the refuge occupiers. In point of fact the indictment against the members of the Bundy convoy was not filed until 9:29 the next morning. As well the search warrant for Finicum’s pick up was not issued until a full two days after the incident.

ambush19th, The roadblock was a prepared and pre-scouted ambush. Statements from Oregon State Police show that the location of the ambush that culminated in the execution of LaVoy Finicum was scouted days ahead of time. The location was selected specifically for the blind corner that terminated in the kill zone and the fact that there was no cellular communications possible. FBI operators were at the location two days prior to the stop preparing fighting positions, clearing underbrush and tree limbs for clear lines of sight and creating sniper positions by clearing snow away from tree bases. This can be attested to by the investigation and by a citizen who visited the scene the day after the murder and photographed the evidence of the preparations. The road block was not a procedural Law Enforcement road block, but a standard military style “L-Ambush”.

jarrett210th, The orders for the authorization of this operation leads to the White House and “National Command Authority.” On more than one occasion Oregon Officers indicate that they were led to believe the operation was authorized by individuals outside of the direct FBI chain of command and came from higher up the political food chain. This is includes reference to the Attorney General of the United States Loretta Lynch and in two separate testimonies a “National Command Authority” is alluded to. Normally, “National Command Authority” is a military term referring to the President of the United States. However after cross referencing emails from Oregon Governor Kate Brown’s office regarding the occupation we believe “National Command Authority” in this case to be Valerie Jarrett. Jarrett is the Iranian born Senior Adviser, whose immediate family are acknowledged members of the Communist Party, to Barack Obama. She is as well a notorious United Nations Globalist. Jarrett’s involvement and possible authorization of the murder of LaVoy Finicum will become more clear and telling in a Shasta Lantern follow up article. That article will detail the actions of Governor Kate Brown, her emails pertaining to the Reserve Protesters and Brown’s senior staff, most notably Heidi Moawad head of Oregon public safety, recently identified, by our affiliate Agenda 21 Radio, as a close personal friend of Huma Abedin, long time senior staff member of Hillary Clinton with ties to the Muslim Brotherhood.

The evidence herein presented is but a mere taste of the evidence and truth embedded within the investigation documents and the emails of Kate Brown yet to be reported on. Rest assured that truth will continue to be brought to the service through the tireless efforts of citizen journalists and patriot activists across the great nation. Where light shines, darkness cannot exist.

  • Chris Kelstrom

    Great job Red!
    I read a blog on the subject concerning the 2 FBI rounds fired. I think the blogger was probably spot on, and goes along well with your findings too. The blogger concluded the 2 FBI rounds were from snipers who according to the corrupt investigators ” missed”, which is why they didn’t report that they fired. The blogger believes the first round was the one that hit LaVoy’s door frame, an intentional ” flushing” shot to get him out of the vehicle. The 2nd shot was a near miss on one of the troopers to get them to start firing. LaVoy didn’t flinch once he exited the vehicle so it probably didn’t buzz him, but had it buzzed past a trooper? The reaction would be to open fire, which they obviously did.
    There’s a whole lotta people who ought to be in jail, and it sure as hell shouldn’t be the Patriots that are currently locked up.

  • Marien Thyme

    You guys must be high on something…. or not taking your meds. Perhaps your tin foil on too tight!

  • jayrarmstrong@hotmail.com

    When the fed govt labeled the Citizens for Constitutional Freedoms (C4CF) Terrorists, it gave the fed govt the tools authorized by the Patriot and Freedom Act, and NDAA such as CIA and US Military. The CIA was onsite putting out disinformation, google youtube “CIA crisis actors Burns Oregon” and see for yourself. The grey eagle drone was based out of Northern California by DHS and US Army. For Drones to be used here against civilians it takes Presidential authorization. What the C4CF wanted in the negotiations was the fed govt to follow the Constitution, period, that’s it. The C4CF were headed to John Day in Grand county to spread the message of Constitutional Freedom and Liberty, the Sheriff there is a Constitutionalist, and would have shut the fed govt down. So they had the stop, chase, and LaVoy swerved off the road to avoid the road block as they were shooting at him. When LaVoy stepped out with his hands in the air, he said what he did because they were allready shooting at him. The FBI shot through the roof of the truck hitting Ryan in the shoulder and the bullet blew out the rear window. There was another FBI shot from the woods that hit LaVoy in the back, exited out his front and bounced off the drivers side rear door where it met the cab, this spent bullet was found in his clothes during the autopsy. Right after this the FBI yelled “HE’s shooting, HE’s shooting” to the OSP, they did this to hype them up so they would finish the murder. You can see the dent the sideways bullet made in the photos the FBI released. I believe the fed govt let the FBI run wild knowing something like this would happen. I also believe Loretta Lynch is working a deal with the FBI, who is investigating Hillary Clinton, trying to work something out. Hillary Clinton as sec of state signed off on the Uranium 1 sale to Russia, and the Russians donated 2.5 million $$ to the Clinton Foundation, and the Clinton Foundation hid this instead of disclosing it as required by law. Just as Harry Reid was using the BLM to grab the Bundys range land in Nevada so the fed govt could sell our Public Lands to the Chinese for pennies on the dollar, who Harry Reids son works for. The Hammond Ranchers land is sitting on uranium, gold, gas and oil, and the fed govt was TERRORIZING the ranchers, who are now in prison, for their land. The fed govt is Constitutionally bound to convey the lands to the People and the States when it enters Statehood except 10 square miles. It takes a Convention of States to overide this, and it never happened. ALL laws made contrary to the Constitution are NULL AND VOID. We The People want our fed govt to be held accountable and follow our Constitution, and we want our lands back, along with our Freedoms, Liberties, and ability to Persue Happiness without fed govt intrusion. It’s either this or a civil war and revolution. The UN has no authority here, America is a UN FREE ZONE

  • None OF Your Business

    statist hate being confronted by the shear criminal behavior they support , so i think your the one who needs meds

  • Summer soldier

    Wow, what a great article! Now we are getting back to what investigative reporting should be! I hope the people at the top who gave the order for this assassination will need to change their undies after reading this piece!

  • Summer soldier

    The flushing shots and the near miss on the Oregon troopers were meant to have the troopers reflexively shoot LaVoy. With that much adrenaline flowing, a near miss would make me shoot the target in front of me. Now the troopers can be scapegaots for the murder, and the people responsible think they will get away scot free!

  • UNCLEELMO

    Thank you, Red. Keep up the great work.
    How does it feel to run circles around 18 national ‘news’ organizations?

  • anastasia157

    Very good job. At the first stop, then, they never said to him, “you are under arrest”, did they? Why would Finicum believe there were grounds to arrest him. In his mind, he was exercising his first amendment rights on public property in a state where he is permitted to carry a gun, for which he was licensed. They eventually carved out felony charges. How they did that is pretty incredible. They are throwing rocks at the police and breaking things over their heads at Trump rallies “exercising their lst amendment rights” and I do not see any ambushes or anyone getting gunned down there.

  • allen

    I’m still trying to figure out whose idea it was to put the entire leadership of the standoff in a single truck and try to drive 100 miles to some meeting. anyone with even cursory knowledge of executive protection could tell you that you NEVER put all your eggs in one basket. you send a representative..a SINGLE PERSON..to this meeting and then have them report back. if they are taken or killed on the road it doesn’t cripple the entire leadership. it’s survivable and you carry on. instead they presented a very juicy “take ’em all at once” target that I doubt any law enforcement would pass up. it does seem like they had some time to plan this ambush. was there a man on the inside (as some have suggested ryan payne and “blaine cooper” AKA stanley hicks), or did they not use secure forms of communication?

    I also seriously doubt ryan payne “was struck in the left arm also by a 40 mm grenade”. there wouldn’t be much left of him if he was struck by a 40mm grenade. more likely it was a bean-bag round FIRED from a 40mm grenade launcher. there is a difference. it’s also damn convenient that he got out of the truck before the final roadblock.

  • Richard Ratliff

    If the troopers ever learn that, I wonder if they would testify appropriately against the FBI and expose this whole thing since they were duped into killing LaVoy!

  • Richard Ratliff

    What are you…a Liberal operative?

  • Ace Smithart

    Thank you all, please be very careful . Keep your radar on and your security measures tight. God Bless you and Keep you safe.

  • Ace Smithart

    Well I hope you live down wind of the Uranium Deposit so that when the Russians start mining it you get a lung full with every breath you take

  • Outsideallthetime

    Wow, your insightful point-by-point rebuttal is a marvel of critical analysis…

  • billy bob

    Stupid fuck.

  • Carson Randolph

    Obama gives the UN 5 million acres Remote Utah enclave becomes new battleground
    over reach of US control. Why and how?

    1972 Treaty Grants the United Nations control over American Historical Landmarks. United Nation
    World Heritage Treaty, that creates World Heritage Sites and Biospere Reserves.
    Since 1972 68% US national parks monuments and
    preserves have been designated as World
    Heritage Sites. 20 important symbols of the US and 51 million acres of our
    wilderness is now under that treaty signed by Carter. Carter, Clinton and Obama
    have given all that land and authority to the UN. That is Agenda 21. That is
    why Bundy and the Hammonds are in jail now.
    They will take your pristine lands and put you in cramped cities. The
    cities will take your private property.
    Why and How.. To get humans off the land and into a tax controlled work
    environment by Smart Cities, Sustainable growth, UN/US Strong Cities, Strong
    police forces aka ABC Swat team militarized police. They will do it and are doing it now in this
    country and every country. This procedure is accomplished by raising fee,
    licenses, fines and excessive green taxes. They fine you or code enforce you
    out of your private homes into their stack and pack hotels and those are
    already built.. Dissenters are either re- educated in FEMA camps or …..

    UN’s World Heritage Sites Infringe on US
    National Sovereignty By Tom Deweese is
    one article on the treaty and this is the building of the beast.

  • Unapologetically White

    Paragraph much?

  • Mary

    It does not take a Convention of States to “over-ride this”! Our Constitution does not need fixing, we need to restore by learning the Constitution we have and start enforcing it!

  • Sandy Paul Eischen

    The FBI was working with an informant inside the refuge. There is a person suspected of being the informant. He was the driver of the jeep (in the convoy) that is referred to in the 360 page report, however, his name is not in the report nor was this person arrested. This person had been at the refuge during the takeover, was armed with a gun, and since he was the driver of the vehicle Ammon Bundy was a passenger in, he would have first hand knowledge of all passengers. He was also responsible for recording a video which hit mainstream media within just a few hours after the killing, in which, he claimed LaVoy had charged officers. Mainstream media ran with that story and much misinformation was spread to people around the world. My personal, humble opinion this is the person who was the informant. He is a self-described member of lll% Militia, had been participating in the stand off protest, was armed, but never arrested or charged by OSP oR FBI.

  • allen

    this is why the moment they said “everyone come” I knew it would end up like the Ed Brown siege in NH, where the FBI agents walked in the front door and were welcomed as allies.

    we never learn from the mistakes of the past, and it bites us in the ass every damn time.

  • TNUGA

    “…the roadblock was placed at the end of a blind turn in which the driver could not see the roadblock with sufficient time to react and effect a stop before colliding with the components of the roadblock….”

    Wow, what an exaggeration of fact! The evidence now shows that Lavoy had plenty of time to come to a complete stop before the roadblock.
    -Over month ago, i calculated that he had at least 850 feet from the time he could see the roadblock.
    -The investigation stated that he had 862 feet from the time how could perceive the roadblock.
    -My old 4WD pickup will stop from 75 mph in 255 feet with 900 lb of deer feed in the bed. With reaction time, he should have been able to stop in 370 feet.

    Lavoy had plenty of room to stop. Your list of “FACTS” is mostly just making excuses!

  • Grace

    If this should ever happen to you, I bet you would change your tune, REAL FAST.

  • Boonyratt

    According to testimony from an officer who fired on LaVoy’s pick up, he felt deadly force was justified specifically because there was not enough time for LaVoy’s vehicle to stop. So which is the lie? There was not enough time to stop and deadly force was justified…or…there was time to stop and deadly force was not justified when the officer fired on the truck as it approached the the stop. As well, there have been more than one independent roll offs of distances and reconstructions from the video of the actual distances that show the police report is nowhere even in the ball park of accurate. The only entity that does conclude there was time to stop is the police report and apparently your “estimate”. The video does not support the claim, the evidence does not support the claim and the testimony does not support the claim. Most damning is the testimony of the officer in the green van directly trailing LaVoy whose deposition clearly states LaVoy’s brake lights came on the moment the roadblock was visible and stayed on until impact with the snow bank.

  • Grace

    Folks burn down cities (Ferguson, Baltimore) and the FBI and feds do nothing. A man stands up in a crowd and says “burn this bitch down” and is walking free no doubt to this day, not having to worry about any road blocks. But somehow feds freak out when white rancher is pro constitution. What did Finicum ever do to deserve that fate? Yet, the feds deliberately turn the other way when black or brown break law after law. We of clear vision see what’s happening.

  • TNUGA

    “According to testimony from an officer who fired on LaVoy’s pick up, he felt deadly force was justified specifically because there was not enough time for LaVoy’s vehicle to stop. So which is the lie? There was not enough time to stop and deadly force was justified…or…there was time to stop and deadly force was not justified when the officer fired on the truck as it approached the the stop. ”

    That’s a good question, and there is a very good answer.

    The investigation showed that Lavoy should have been able to see the roadblock approximately 862 feet from the roadblock as he rounded the curve. This gave Lavoy plenty of time and room to stop. For example, a vehicle traveling 70 mph can stop in 245 feet. With reaction time it would take 348 feet, and we know that his brake lights were on at the entrance to the horse park, so he had already reacted and had his foot on the brake. The point where his brakes lights came on is about 390-400 feet from the roadblock.

    The OSP officer who fired at Lavoy fired when he was about 325 feet from the roadblock, so he gave Lavoy an opportunity to travel OVER FIVE HUNDRED FEET before he opened fire. He did not fire until he realized that Lavoy was NOT going to stop.

    “Most damning is the testimony of the officer in the green van directly trailing LaVoy whose deposition clearly states LaVoy’s brake lights came on the moment the roadblock was visible and stayed on until impact with the snow bank.”

    What page number do you find that? Of the 360 pages, I’d like to know where you saw that before I respond, OK?

  • anastasia157

    You give far better examples. I wrote to the FBI when it happened. I stated, , “Are you crazy. You just gunned down a law-abiding middle class man with 11 children”

  • Patty

    Well said especially the last 3 sentences. We will not stop until it is accomplished.

  • Patty

    There was an informant in the second vehicle and he is not anywhere to be found, has not testified only once on a video.

  • Mark Hayward

    The first shot was at Passenger Ryan Payne at the first stop one mile before the Amuch Kill Zone. It was a 40 MM gas canister. The Passengers did not know that it was not a bullet at that time.

  • Mark Hayward

    The Cops were shooting at each other in a Cross Fire too.

  • Dana King

    You’re full of crap. The govt claims Mr. Finicum had 862ft to stop. That’s just another LIE told to cover their asses and further their narrative. Not only was it physically measured by an independent 3rd party to be 326ft anyone can verify the 326ft for themselves using google earth.

    Anyone can google the 70mph stopping distances for a Ford F250, Chevy 2500, and Ram 2500 and they all are around 220ft under PERFECT test conditions, which does NOT take into account reaction time, which anyone with half a brain can google, and “typically” ranges from 1.5sec to about 2.5 seconds. 70mph is 103fps. THEN consider the truck has 4 people in it, and it’s GOING AROUND A TURN IN THE WINTER TIME, and that EQUALS there is no freaking way that truck can stop in time. NO WAY. It is impossible. You’re full of crap. So stop trying to pass off your BS as fact.

  • Dana King

    Wrong. The govt ASSERTS the road block could be seen from 862ft but people went out there shortly after this happened and TOOK PICTURES to prove their point that there is NO WAY ANYONE could see the road block from 862ft. In fact they were only able to see the road block from 326 feet away, which happens to be exactly when Mr. Finicum hit the brakes, and didn’t let off the brakes until he hit the snow bank.

    You’re selling the government narrative, slave. You’re either a murderous trigger puller for the govt or you’re a slave. I don’t care which and it doesn’t matter because what you’re selling is BS.

  • TNUGA

    You seem to be quite confident in your assessment. Are you willing to answer some questions?

    Where do you get your number of 326 feet? Have you been there?

  • TNUGA

    If it ever happened to me, i would stop at the roadblock and comply with the officers’ commands. The 3 who did that are still alive.

  • TNUGA

    “that anyone with half a brain can google, and “typically” ranges from 1.5sec to about 2.5 seconds. 70mph is 103fps. ”

    And anyone with half a brain can examine the video footage and see that Lavoy’s brake lights were ON just before getting even with the stop sign at the entrance to the Horse park. A civilian measured the distance from the roadblock to the center of the horse park entry with a measuring wheel and got 386 feet. That puts the sign at about 400 feet away.

    If you examine other video footage, you will see that the scene of the roadblock is visible at the snow pile on the north end of the pull-off on the east side of the road. That snow pile is a good 800 feet from the scene of the roadblock..

    I’m sure your intentions are good, but, with all due respect, you clearly have not done your homework!

  • TNUGA

    For got to add that Lavoy’s brake lights were ON at 9:12 in the FBI video at the horse park entrance. That means that you can ignore reaction time because his foot is already on the brake!! FWIW, I think your braking distances are about right, but the fact that he was still going 35 to 50 mph when he hit the snow indicates that he was not braking very hard. He made a conscious decision NOT to stop!

    I also agree with your estimation of 70 mph. I calculated his peed at 68-72 mph at the horse park entrance.

  • TNUGA

    And yet some folks try to say that Lavoy was “fleeing for his life” because of that shot. Really?

  • TNUGA

    Mark McConnell?

    And what do you mean by this: “has not testified only once on a video.”

    Seems contradictory. Was it a typo?

  • Carolyn Corthell

    All the patriots were arrested WITHOUT a warrant. The warrants were done AFTER the arrests. LaVoy never had a warrant – he had died.

  • BarbedStar

    That’s O.K. guys….Marien has no Thyme to be a Patriot! Closed mind – open mouth. We are fighting for Marien’s freedom, too bad she never will attain her own Liberty. Freedom + responsibility = Liberty!

  • BarbedStar

    Alive, by the Grace of God…not anything ‘mad made’ for the Gov. did all they could to get them to return fire. Lest we forget…no warrants on or for anyone in either rig.

  • BarbedStar

    Good reply….about sums it up.

  • Kay Graves

    You must be including the Progressives at the Oregonian; as they where in on reporting the FBI scapegoating the State Police.
    Facts…what a hassle…well; if you had any, that is.

  • TNUGA

    “…no warrants on or for anyone in either rig.”

    What do you base that comment on?
    Where did you hear that?

  • terrie

    …unapologetically…

  • AZRanger

    How dare they impede the progress of the UN’s Agenda 21, and the theft of the public’s natural resources!!
    Although all the facts have yet to be revealed, it is obvious that if Valerie Jarrett, and Huma are implicated, then Obama and Clinton both knew, and signed off (figuratively..at least) on the hit!!!
    The other implication is that the hit was design to take them all out; and that if Mark McConnell had not had the foresight to do what he did, all of them would have been assassinated at that road-block!

  • AZRanger

    Truth is truth, asshole! Sorry for breaking up you picture-perfect belief in the goodness of the federal Communists!!!

  • One minor correction: Shawna Cox did not use her cell phone. She used her video camera.

  • Giz

    That’s a blatant lie.

  • Actually, Shawna said on Sacred Cow BBQ that she used her cell phone to record this. She didn’t have any reception to make calls but could still record. Also, the young lady’s name is Victoria Sharp, not April as your article says.

  • That return key can be pesky.

  • Norm

    Lavoy “Blue Tarp” Finicum was not murdered, he was shot for failing to surrender. He reached for his gun three times before Oregon State Police opened fire. If he had obeyed instructions he would be alive and sitting in jail with the rest of the Bundy crowd.

  • Norm

    Avail yourself to an adult education program in your community. An elementary school kid knows what a paragraph is. Your brain droppings are nothing but clotted nonsense.

  • Norm

    Not a shred of truth to this article and even less facts in reader comments. There are several young men sitting in jail and will likely go to prison for getting involved in this fiasco. So all you sovereign citizens/militia members/gun nuts/ and fake patriots should think twice because one of your impressionable children might align themselves with this nonsense and end up with their life ruined sitting in a federal penitentiary.

  • Norm

    Not a shred of truth to this article and even less facts in reader comments. There are several young men sitting in jail and will likely go to prison for getting involved in this fiasco. So all you sovereign citizens/militia members/gun nuts/ and fake patriots should think twice because one of your impressionable children might align themselves with this nonsense and end up with their life ruined sitting in a federal penitentiary.

  • baldwrench

    I question your braking of that old Jeep carrying 900 lbs. I think that you need to add a zero to that.
    Having taught automotive technology, I feel quite comfortable with my correction and question as to how many other untruths May be found within your statements.

  • baldwrench

    Lavoy Finicum did not reach for his gun. He grabbed that part of his body that had been tazered. His gun was found at the morgue under three layers of clothing on his right side.

  • baldwrench

    Sorry that you are not a true American and would rather cave than stand-up for your rights. It is people like you that have allowed this sort of thing to happen. Pardon me,but you sound like a liberal Communist.

  • Norm

    I happen to be a conservative, veteran and ex-law enforcement. They are not standing up for anyone’s rights, instead they are trampling on peoples rights. At one point they brought in a fake judge who convened some type of idiotic grand jury where they tried some innocent people like the Sheriff and the local Judge. Imagine that, being placed on trial without your knowledge, not even allowed to have an attorney or testify on your own behalf. Now, these clowns have an opportunity to participate in the “real” justice system. Avail yourself to an adult education program in your community. Good luck with that.

  • Norm

    He was not tased.

  • Boonyratt

    Norm, did you even read the investigation report? You really should before you continue to posting…..

  • Norm

    Give me the link to “the investigation report”

  • Norm

    Give me the link to “the investigation report”

  • Norm

    No shots were fired at the first traffic stop. The occupants of the jeep (Ammon Bundy and others) surrender peacefully. Ryan Payne was in Lavoy Finicum’s truck which was stopped and idling in the road. Ryan Payne exited the truck and surrendered. Lavoy sped away and was killed for reaching for his weapon after he exited his truck. The OSP trooper who came out of the woods did not fire his taser because he was not close enough (his own statement).

  • Norm

    No shots were fired at the first traffic stop. The occupants of the jeep (Ammon Bundy and others) surrender peacefully. Ryan Payne was in Lavoy Finicum’s truck which was stopped and idling in the road. Ryan Payne exited the truck and surrendered. Lavoy sped away and was killed for reaching for his weapon after he exited his truck. The OSP trooper who came out of the woods did not fire his taser because he was not close enough (his own statement).

  • Norm

    Red has made a fool of himself by writing this garbage.

  • Norm

    Red has made a fool of himself by writing this garbage.

  • Boonyratt

    Oh Norm, you’re making it worse for yourself…the Officers themselves admit to firing at the first traffic stop….

  • Boonyratt

    Mr. Norm Jepsen, with every post you are proving yourself to be an uninformed ass-clown now falling back on ad-hominem blanket attacks…it’s a little sad really.

  • Boonyratt

    In what manner Norm? What has been written you believe to be false?

  • Norm

    I’m still waiting for the link to your “investigative report.” In the meantime watch this video from a person who was in the first vehicle and apprehended with Ammon Bundy.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JxJJKgX_2iY

  • Boonyratt

    There is no “link” Norm, it’s a 360 page report in pdf format, I emailed it to you Mr. Jepsen, check your in box. Mark McConnell has already been proven a liar in his statements and his actions.

  • Norm

    LOL, if you like the Constitution some much you would realize that your comments are considered hearsay and inadmissible in court. If you are interested in the truth, how, why and when has McConnell been proven a liar. And by who?

  • Norm

    LOL, if you like the Constitution some much you would realize that your comments are considered hearsay and inadmissible in court. If you are interested in the truth, how, why and when has McConnell been proven a liar. And by who?

  • Boonyratt

    By his own statements about what happened at the roadblock that he was not even in a position to witness…are you even aware of the facts of what happened Norm?

  • Boonyratt

    By his own statements about what happened at the roadblock that he was not even in a position to witness…are you even aware of the facts of what happened Norm?

  • Norm

    He most certainly was in a position to know what happened at the first roadblock and he stated what he thought happened at the second roadblock. He also admitted that he wasn’t there (at the second roadblock) so he really didn’t know. So his first narrative in the video was correct and truthful, the rest is hearsay on his part because he didn’t actually witness the second incident during which Finicum was shot.

  • Boonyratt

    There was only one roadblock Norm…a traffic stop and a roadblock. The officer’s themselves testified in their depositions that LaVoy’s vehicle was fired upon at the traffic stop. Have you even attempted to read the report I emailed you Mr. Jepsen?

  • Norm

    When I said shots, I mean’t bullets, lethal rounds from pistols, shotguns, or rifles. One and only one gas round was fired.

  • Norm

    When I said shots, I mean’t bullets, lethal rounds from pistols, shotguns, or rifles. One and only one gas round was fired.

  • Norm

    Sorry, your statements are incorrect. Watch this video. The roadblock would clearly be visible for nearly 3 football fields.

    http://www.oregonlive.com/multimedia/index.ssf/2016/03/360_degree_video_of_the_highwa.html#incart_river_index_topics

  • Norm

    Sorry, your statements are incorrect. Watch this video. The roadblock would clearly be visible for nearly 3 football fields.

    http://www.oregonlive.com/multimedia/index.ssf/2016/03/360_degree_video_of_the_highwa.html#incart_river_index_topics

  • Norm

    Finicum was being pursued by a SWAT/HRT vehicle at the same rate of speed. If the SWAT vehicle was able to stop without striking the roadblock or running off the road why didn’t Finicum stop? Because he panicked and chose not to.

  • Norm

    Finicum was being pursued by a SWAT/HRT vehicle at the same rate of speed. If the SWAT vehicle was able to stop without striking the roadblock or running off the road why didn’t Finicum stop? Because he panicked and chose not to.

  • Boonyratt

    Actually Norm, at least 2 40mm gas grenades were fired. One striking the canopy shell of LaVoy’s truck and one striking Ryan Payne in the left arm. Further, if you had read the article before attacking it, you would see that they recovered copper shards consistent with a bullet casing from the remains of the passenger mirror…which Shawna Cox stated was struck by live fire at the initial stop. Besides Norm, as the former veteran and law enforcement you claim to be, I know you were trained to determine whether you were being fired upon by lethal or “non-lethal” before seeking cover or evasion…what else would you like to defend as calling a lie Norm?

  • Boonyratt

    Actually Norm, at least 2 40mm gas grenades were fired. One striking the canopy shell of LaVoy’s truck and one striking Ryan Payne in the left arm. Further, if you had read the article before attacking it, you would see that they recovered copper shards consistent with a bullet casing from the remains of the passenger mirror…which Shawna Cox stated was struck by live fire at the initial stop. Besides Norm, as the former veteran and law enforcement you claim to be, I know you were trained to determine whether you were being fired upon by lethal or “non-lethal” before seeking cover or evasion…what else would you like to defend as calling a lie Norm?

  • Norm

    The US Attorney may verbally issue authorization for arrest while warrants are being prepared and recorded.

  • Norm

    The US Attorney may verbally issue authorization for arrest while warrants are being prepared and recorded.

  • Norm

    That is just plain crazy talk.

  • Norm

    That is just plain crazy talk.

  • Norm

    The sort of training you are referring to does not exist. A law enforcement officer cannot determine if incoming fire from a weapon is lethal or non lethal. Unless it is a kid throwing water balloons or shooting sponge projectiles from a toy gun. Go to Youtube and watch the full press conference in Bend, OR after the incident.

  • TNUGA

    “I question your braking of that old Jeep carrying 900 lbs. I think that you need to add a zero to that.”

    I don’t mind you questioning me at all. I tried stopping 3 times. 2 times with firm braking were 265 feet. Once with hard braking, but not skidding, was 255 feet. Now my speedometer is not calibrated, so I’m fine if you want to say I’m a little bit off. But a factor of 10?

    FWIW, please show me some verifiable examples of it taking 2,550 feet to stop from 75 mph. My pickup truck is old, but I keep it in good shape with good tires.
    Here are some additional examples for your consideration:

    1. 2014 Ram 2500 Diesel Stops from 60 MPH in 146.2 feet. Almost the same vehicle as Lavoy’s and you don’t think it could stop from 75 in 255-265 feet?

    http://www.trucktrend.com/cool-trucks/1403-2014-ram-1500-ecodiesel-vs-2500-sibling-rivalry/

    Or how about this one: In 2014, Car and Driver stated the following about the Ram 2500, virtually the same vehicle as Lavoy’s:

    “Hauling the truck down to a stop from 70 mph consumed 202 feet, with the driver reporting no fade in repeated stops.” (See the 2nd paragraph under “Got Sprung”)

    http://www.caranddriver.com/ram/2500

    I suggest you go back and read what i said again, I feel that my comments are reasonably accurate. I know what i accomplished in my truck, and those numbers are consistent with numbers that have been published in numerous auto publications and safety sites.

    “….and question as to how many other untruths May be found within your statements.”

    Why don;t you go through my 14,000 posts. They’re public and open for your inspection. if you can find where I’m off on something, I’ll own it and correct it. If you look at my posts, you will see that i have acknowledged mistakes. Untruths? Go look for them! I don;t lie on these forums and I’m prepared to back up what i claim to be facts. I feel I’m free to my opinions, but when it comes to facts, I do my homework before I post.

    Go to it, big man! Show me where i’m wrong, OK?

  • TNUGA

    While I agree with you there, it’s easy for the Finicum supporters to point out that the vehicle behind them knew that the roadblock was there. I think it’s more important to point our that this was not a deadman’s roadblock. Lavoy had plenty of time to stop his vehicle seeing the Roadblock.

    For example, take a look at these pics of the folks gathered at the Lavoy Memorial. You’ve got people in the road, a girl riding a horse down the middle of the road, etc. (pictures 32,44, and 45 ) and yet, NOT ONE REPORT of a car coming around the curve and hitting these folks in the road!

    http://www.oregonlive.com/oregon-standoff/2016/02/oregon_standoff_lavoy_finicum.html

  • TNUGA

    And in pic 43, you can see the snow pile at the pull-off and the snow pile is at least 800 feet away!

  • TNUGA

    Good comment!

  • Boonyratt

    Missed the sarcasm there did ya Norm? But thanks for making my point for me…there is no training to determine lethal/non lethal fire. All LaVoy knew was he was being fired upon…you yourself just admitted he couldn’t have known whether it was “lethal” fire or not.

  • TNUGA

    I don’t think Boonyratt has mastered the art of searching for stuff and posting links.

    I have links to the 13 page autopsy report (which shows no sign of taser marks), 360 pages of evidence, and the press conference. let me know if you need any of those links. These guys mostly read an article without vetting it and then they run with it. They will cite a Supreme Court case without reading it, and totally miss the point. Good luck!

  • TNUGA

    They did have the Criminal Complaint signed by a judge. They don’t have to have a copy with them, just verification that it exists. Let me know if you want a link to the criminal complaint.

  • Boonyratt

    I would like to see that link.

  • TNUGA

    I’ll post it momentarily.

  • TNUGA

    Here it is. Signed by Judge Stacie Beckerman on 1/26/2016. Let me know if you have any questions.

  • TNUGA
  • Boonyratt

    Thank you. What time and day did the traffic stop and roadblock occur?

  • TNUGA

    The shooting happened on January 26th. The judge signed it on the 26th a few hours before the shooting. It was filed in DC on the 27th and unsealed soon after.

    I’ve talked with several Law enforcement folks about this, including a recently retired sheriff that i’ve known for over 50 years. I was surprised to learn that they do not have to have a physical copy of a warrant or a criminal complaint with them to make an arrest. They only have to know for sure that it exists. He said the criminal complaint is essentially the same as a warrant, especially in a federal case. When i showed him the Criminal Complaint he said, “That’s it!”

    Have you seen the steps on a Federal Case???

    “When Someone is Suspected of a Federal Crime…

    1. Complaint and Arrest Warrant — Law enforcement obtains a Warrant for Arrest of the alleged offender. The warrant is based on an Indictment (see below) or a Complaint filed with the U.S. District Court. An Affidavit, signed by a law enforcement officer, usually accompanies the Complaint. The Affidavit explains the crime committed as well as the role of the accused in that crime. In other words, the Affidavit is used to establish probable cause that the accused committed the crime.

    2. Initial Appearance — As soon as practicable after arrest, the alleged offender must be granted an Initial Appearance before a Magistrate Judge. The Magistrate Judge advises the accused of his or her rights and determines if he or she has the financial ability to hire an attorney or if a public defender must be appointed. The Magistrate Judge also sets release conditions, including any bond. At the same time, a federal prosecutor, known as an Assistant United States Attorney, may ask that the defendant be detained.

    3. Detention Hearing — If the alleged offender is detained, a Detention Hearing must be held within three working days. At that hearing, the Magistrate Judge listens to evidence about the accused’s risk of flight or danger to the community. The Magistrate Judge then decides if the accused should be detained or released pending trial.
    etc”

    You can see the rest at:
    https://www.justice.gov/usao-mn/criminal-procedures

    i contacted the judge’s office last week in Portland to see if i could learn the time that the complaint was signed but the person I needed to speak with was out on vacation.

    Hope that helps!

  • TNUGA

    There was a report of shots being fired at 4:38 pm

  • TNUGA

    There was a report of shots being fired at 4:38 pm

  • TNUGA

    “you would see that they recovered copper shards consistent with a bullet casing from the remains of the passenger mirror..”

    Sorry, but as far as I can tell, the shard you are referring to came from the DRIVER”s side mirror, not the passenger’s side. I see that listed on page 319 of the 360 page report.

    What page is the one from the passenger side that you describe above?

  • Taskmasterendgame

    TNUGA
    You Trying to Snow these good
    People ???
    How much does a Troll/Gov Shill
    Make on a Daily Basis.
    The Feds are a bottomless pit
    when it comes to money
    (Do you ever think of it as
    BLOOD MONEY)

  • UNCLEELMO

    I would point out that Magistrate Judge Stacie Beckerman worked in Amanda Marshall’s office before being appointed last year. She was sworn in by Ann Aiken, who was on the committee that interviewed and chose her.
    Aiken and Marshall are a big part of the problem that brought the occupiers to Malheur in the first place. I would suspect Stacie Beckerman is no different.

  • UNCLEELMO

    I would point out that Magistrate Judge Stacie Beckerman worked in Amanda Marshall’s office before being appointed last year. She was sworn in by Ann Aiken, who was on the committee that interviewed and chose her.
    Aiken and Marshall are a big part of the problem that brought the occupiers to Malheur in the first place. I would suspect Stacie Beckerman is no different.

  • Boonyratt

    Correction: That should read side-view mirror, not passenger. Yes, it was the driver side mirror. And for clarification, I am not claiming proof that the mirror was struck at the initial stop, I am claiming that recovering copper shards consistent with a bullet casing coo-berates Shawna Cox’s testimony that the mirror was struck during the initial stop by a bullet.

  • Boonyratt

    We do have questions about that, we believe that while the complaint was signed on 1/26/16, the day of the stop, it was signed after the stop occurred and here is why…when we contacted the Judge’s office we were informed that the complaint was not filed until 9:57 am Oregon time on the 27th, the reason for the discrepancy is because any complaint signed after 4:30 pm would not be filed until the day after. So, according to the Judge’s clerks own statement, that complaint was not signed prior to 4:30 pm the day of the stop. That means best case scenario, the complaint was being signed as the stop was occurring…if true, this means those officers did not have a legally authorized complaint to stop that convoy.

  • Boonyratt

    As well, what was issued, signed and filed was a criminal complaint, not an arrest warrant or summons. There was no warrant; law clearly states:

    (a) Issuance. If the complaint or one or more affidavits filed with the complaint establish probable cause to believe that an offense has been committed and that the defendant committed it, the judge must issue an arrest warrant to an officer authorized to execute it.

    (b) Form.

    (1) Warrant. A warrant must:

    (A) contain the defendant’s name or, if it is unknown, a name or description by which the defendant can be identified with reasonable certainty;

    (B) describe the offense charged in the complaint;

    (C) command that the defendant be arrested and brought without unnecessary delay before a magistrate judge or, if none is reasonably available, before a state or local judicial officer; and

    (D) be signed by a judge.

    (c) Execution or Service, and Return.

    (1) By Whom. Only a marshal or other authorized officer may execute a warrant. Any person authorized to serve a summons in a federal civil action may serve a summons.

    (2) Location. A warrant may be executed, or a summons served, within the jurisdiction of the United States or anywhere else a federal statute authorizes an arrest.

    (3) Manner.

    (A) A warrant is executed by arresting the defendant. Upon arrest, an officer possessing the original or a duplicate original warrant must show it to the defendant. If the officer does not possess the warrant, the officer must inform the defendant of the warrant’s existence and of the offense charged and, at the defendant’s request, must show the original or a duplicate original warrant to the defendant as soon as possible.

  • Boonyratt

    As well, what was issued, signed and filed was a criminal complaint, not an arrest warrant or summons. There was no warrant; law clearly states:

    (a) Issuance. If the complaint or one or more affidavits filed with the complaint establish probable cause to believe that an offense has been committed and that the defendant committed it, the judge must issue an arrest warrant to an officer authorized to execute it.

    (b) Form.

    (1) Warrant. A warrant must:

    (A) contain the defendant’s name or, if it is unknown, a name or description by which the defendant can be identified with reasonable certainty;

    (B) describe the offense charged in the complaint;

    (C) command that the defendant be arrested and brought without unnecessary delay before a magistrate judge or, if none is reasonably available, before a state or local judicial officer; and

    (D) be signed by a judge.

    (c) Execution or Service, and Return.

    (1) By Whom. Only a marshal or other authorized officer may execute a warrant. Any person authorized to serve a summons in a federal civil action may serve a summons.

    (2) Location. A warrant may be executed, or a summons served, within the jurisdiction of the United States or anywhere else a federal statute authorizes an arrest.

    (3) Manner.

    (A) A warrant is executed by arresting the defendant. Upon arrest, an officer possessing the original or a duplicate original warrant must show it to the defendant. If the officer does not possess the warrant, the officer must inform the defendant of the warrant’s existence and of the offense charged and, at the defendant’s request, must show the original or a duplicate original warrant to the defendant as soon as possible.

  • TNUGA

    “I am claiming that recovering copper shards consistent with a bullet casing coo-berates (sic) Shawna Cox’s testimony that the mirror was struck during the initial stop by a bullet.”

    I must respectfully disagree with your claim here. This does not corroborate what she said. In her interview on the Common Sense Show, she stated that Ryan Payne put his hands out the window and a “bullet comes by” and hits the metal “between the mirror and the door. It is clear that Lavoy was driving and Ryan Payne was on the passenger side.

    Therefore, she was mistaken about it being a “bullet” since it was a less-lethal” round that was fired at Ryan, not a bullet.

    Listen to what she says, beginning at 9:30 in this link:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=53TDfw5bVhs

    The OSP acknowledges that 3 rounds were fired at the truck as it approached the second stop (the roadblock) and one of those shots hit the DRIVER’s side mirror and then hit the side of the truck further back.

    So, at this point, I’ve seen no evidence that shows that Lavoy’s truck was struck by a bullet on the passenger;s side. not any evidence that it was struck by a bullet at the first stop.

    Regards!
    TNUGA

  • TNUGA

    “I am claiming that recovering copper shards consistent with a bullet casing coo-berates (sic) Shawna Cox’s testimony that the mirror was struck during the initial stop by a bullet.”

    I must respectfully disagree with your claim here. This does not corroborate what she said. In her interview on the Common Sense Show, she stated that Ryan Payne put his hands out the window and a “bullet comes by” and hits the metal “between the mirror and the door. It is clear that Lavoy was driving and Ryan Payne was on the passenger side.

    Therefore, she was mistaken about it being a “bullet” since it was a less-lethal” round that was fired at Ryan, not a bullet.

    Listen to what she says, beginning at 9:30 in this link:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=53TDfw5bVhs

    The OSP acknowledges that 3 rounds were fired at the truck as it approached the second stop (the roadblock) and one of those shots hit the DRIVER’s side mirror and then hit the side of the truck further back.

    So, at this point, I’ve seen no evidence that shows that Lavoy’s truck was struck by a bullet on the passenger;s side. not any evidence that it was struck by a bullet at the first stop.

    Regards!
    TNUGA

  • TNUGA

    I contacted the Judge’s office last week and the person I needed was “on vacation.” i’m looking for that info as well. I do know that there was communication between the agents in the field and the office regarding the complaint. I look forward to getting more details.

  • TNUGA

    Sorry, but you don’t cite a source for this. Do you have a link?

  • TNUGA

    I draw your attention to the capitalized portion of your response:

    “(A) A warrant is executed by arresting the defendant. Upon arrest, an officer possessing the original or a duplicate original warrant must show it to the defendant. IF THE OFFICER DOES NOT POSSESS THE WARRANT, the officer must inform the defendant of the warrant’s existence and of the offense charged and, at the defendant’s request, must show the original or a duplicate original warrant to the defendant as soon as possible.”

    You also did not include the last step of procedures for Federal arrests:

    “(d) Warrant by Telephone or Other Reliable Electronic Means. In accordance with Rule 4.1, a magistrate judge may issue a warrant or summons based on information communicated by telephone or other reliable electronic means.”

    From what I’ve been told, many of these complaints are held open until the last minute in case additional charges are added, and then are transmitted by phone or fax or email when the judge signs the complaint and the warrants.

    You are free to speculate, but you have shown no proof that things were not done according to law. If the Bundys want to challenge their arrests on the basis of an improper procedure on their arrests, then they should do so. So far, I haven;t seen anything coming from them that alleges improper procedures for the arrests.

  • Taskmasterendgame

    TNUGA
    Could that be the Missing Link
    Everyone is talking about ???

  • Taskmasterendgame

    TNUGA
    Could that be the Missing Link
    Everyone is talking about ???

  • TNUGA

    Haha! Naw, I found the source he copied it from.

    Read my other response. He omitted some important parts!

  • Taskmasterendgame

    TNUGA
    Is Shawna Cox a ballistics expert?
    I think not. Truth be known she
    Probably had to have a change of
    drawers after the first Illegal Traffic
    Stop (God Bless Her Sweet Soul)
    I can hear the Battle Cry of the
    Government LET’S KILL THEM
    ALL. (Men, women & Children,
    Waco & Ruby Ridge All Over Again
    This Time we will Kill Grandma &
    Grandpa Too !

  • Taskmasterendgame

    TNUGA
    Again with the Ballistics Expert
    Holy Jesus TNUGA now you to are
    an Expert (I Don’t Think So Homey)
    You are getting to the point you
    could possibly become an
    Expert Comedian !

  • TNUGA

    “Is Shawna Cox a ballistics expert?”

    I doubt she is. I’m not either, but i try to do my homework before I comment. I have a carry permit, and enough guns to take care of things, but I don’t think I’m close to being an expert. I think I could tell the difference between a less-lethal pepper round and a rifle shot, but maybe i can’t. Can you??

  • TNUGA

    I”m no expert at ballistics. However, I’m pretty good at readin’ and ciphering! All I did was read the report and tell him which page to go to so he could read it, too.

  • TNUGA

    They already crazy!

  • TNUGA

    ” you could possibly become an Expert Comedian !”

    I am a bit of a humorist. Did you ever see my satire on civilian ammo purchases???

  • TNUGA

    Here’s a piece of Satire I wrote last year. While the story is made up, the numbers are correct.

    CIVILIANS BUY ENOUGH AMMO TO SHOOT EVERYONE IN THE WORLD 5 TIMES!

    Officials in the ammunition industry have now confirmed that US gun owners purchased over 8 Billion rounds of small caliber ammunition in 2012. That number rose to almost 12 Billion in 2013 and rose to 12 Billion in 2014. That’s about 32 Billion rounds in the past three years. It’s enough to shoot the entire population of the world almost 5 times!

    While many have speculated that US gun owners were stockpiling to prepare for a war with Homeland Security, these purchases were over 100 times the amount purchased by DHS during that same time period, indicating that gun owners may have other motives. Patriot groups and local militias have tried to explain these huge purchases by claiming that target shooting has become a popular sport, but the type of ammunition being purchased only raises more questions. In addition to hollow-point rounds for rifles and handguns, much of the ammo is full-metal-jacket.

    While it is true that FMJ bullets are more effective at penetrating the body armor that is often worn by DHS agents, it should be noted that they are also the type that is allowed by the Hague Convention of 1899 for international warfare. Concerns are now being raised that the gun owners of America are arming up to take over the entire world on their own.

    Not only have gun owners bought enough ammo to shoot every person on Earth five times, the rate of these purchases continues to climb. At this rate, gun owners would be buying more ammunition per month than US monthly production during World War II.

    These purchases by civilians have caused an unprecedented ammunition shortage, and concerns about this apparent arms build-up are growing. Local law enforcement agencies have had difficulty finding ammo for their training. Initial rumors were that the shortage was caused by huge purchases by DHS, but an investigation by the Government Accountability Office (GAO) recently confirmed that DHS purchases have actually decreased over the past few years and represent less than 1% of the US ammo production. Members of Congress are now speculating that these ammo purchases represent a bold threat of war by the US citizenry against the entire world!!

    Reloading supplies have been difficult, if not impossible, to find. Gunpowder disappears from shelves as soon as it arrives, causing even more concerns. While gunpowder is used for reloading, there is also speculation that these civilian purchases of millions of amounts of gunpowder might be used for constructing guerilla-type explosive devices and bombs.

    Alternative media sites are ridiculing these concerns. Commenters at sites like Infowars and Minutemen News deny any plans for world conquest. “We simply want all the ammo we can get, and if DHS is buying 1%, we want that, too!” said a poster who goes by the nickname, “AmmoNopoly.” Others feel that they are simply investing in the future. One such poster, “Dr. Prepper,” had this to say: “Gold has gotten too expensive. I feel ammunition will continue to rise in price, so I’ve bought 50,000 rounds as an investment. That’s my story, and I’m sticking to it.”

  • TNUGA

    Well, even a blind hog will find an acorn if he roots long enough!

  • TNUGA

    Keep the phone handy!

    Obama might call you some day!

  • Boonyratt

    Careful, don’t be an ass.

  • TNUGA

    I’m referring to Taskmasterendgame. Basically, he has a hard time thinking anything I say is true. Or at least that’s the way it seems.

  • Boonyratt

    I was simply pointing out the comment was beneath you and damaged a reasonable back and forth. See troll you may be, troll you may not be, I appreciate the reasoned discussion. That was the point of the piece…to generate that discussion, to bring out questions that need answers, in hopes that we all as Americans can still accomplish the task without devolving into Kindergarten versions of the Hatfields and McCoys. You have been a reasoned counterpoint…don’t tarnish it. I let my ego fall for that sometimes myself.

  • Boonyratt

    I was simply pointing out the comment was beneath you and damaged a reasonable back and forth. See troll you may be, troll you may not be, I appreciate the reasoned discussion. That was the point of the piece…to generate that discussion, to bring out questions that need answers, in hopes that we all as Americans can still accomplish the task without devolving into Kindergarten versions of the Hatfields and McCoys. You have been a reasoned counterpoint…don’t tarnish it. I let my ego fall for that sometimes myself.

  • TNUGA

    Ok, that phrase is simply an old southern saying that is a humorous example of how persistence can be the difference between success and failure. Sort of how, if a salesman knocks on enough doors, they will eventually make a sale, It wasn’t intended as an insult to anyone. TMEG and I have exchanged numerous posts and likes to challenge what I say and call me names. I can take it.

    However, I try to be civil in my responses, refrain from insults and profanity. This was meant as a joke to a guy that I feel I can joke with, given that he tries to give me a hard time. My apologies for any offense!

  • Patty

    Where, when, how, why or who has he testified since the video?

  • ROHBAR

    There should have been NO road block set-up which is against the Constitution, and LaVoy Finicum was not a criminal! Most of these ranchers have had rights to the lands to feed their cattle and water them for years and now we have a Nazi federal gov’t owned by the globalists telling them what to do instead of these murderers following the Constitution! They are hypocrites because I bet most of them gave an Oath to uphold and defend the Constituton!

  • ROHBAR

    Cliven Bundy Case Facts
    For those still confused by the media —–
    Cliven Bundy is right exactly right:
    Mr. Cliven Bundy’s ranch contains split-estate property rights. Which include 1.) water rights 2.) rights of way, 3) range improvements, 4) grazing value/forage crops 5.) patented homestead or mining claims used as headquarters or shipping points. Each one of these rights is a real property right; that cannot be taken without due process and just compensation. These rights were developed from prior Spanish/Mexican agricultural water law. (Hutichins 1971, Hage 1989)
    To properly phrase
    Mr. Bundy’s Range Rights and vested water rights are protected by local law, custom, and decisions of the court as recognized, sanctioned and confirmed by Congress in Revised Statute 2339, commonly known as the Act of 1866. These range rights/ vested water rights are protected by 18 federal statutes starting with the Act of 1866 and ending with the National Forest Management Act NFMA of October 22, 1976.
    As time went by the State began to appropriate the vested water rights and protect these range rights. “At the time that the Forest Service began to adjudicate allotments, issue grazing permits, and charge grazing fees in National Forests it was held by the U.S. Supreme Court that state laws for the general appropriation of water could not be over ridden by Congress in exercising its power to make rules and regulations respecting disposal of the public lands (Kansas v. Colorado 1907, California v. United States 1978 and cases cited therein). (McIntosh and Fowler, pg 21)
    It is common knowledge throughout the West that ranches on federal rangelands have been treated as private property interests in the open real estate market for more than a hundred years (Griffith v. Godey 1885, Wilson v. Everett 1891, Grayson v. Lynch 1896, Ward v. Sherman 1904). (McIntosh and Fowler, pg8)
    Even the Internal Revenue Service recognizes that federal land grazing allotments used as part of a split-estate ranch are inheritable, taxable property estates ( Shufflebarger v. Commissioner 1955, Vaugham v. Commissioner 1961, Rudolph Inv. v. Commissioner 1972, Estate of O’ Connell v. Commissioner 1978, Ueker v. Commissioner 1983.) (McIntosh and Fowler pg 8)
    According to the Forest Service Organic Act 1897 and the Taylor Grazing Act of 1934 “the creation of a grazing district or the issuance of a permit… shall not create any right, title, interest, or estate in or to the lands.” (McIntosh and Fowler, pg 29)
    In reference to Section 4 Taylor Grazing Act
    “Likewise, the federal statutes pertaining to grazing permits or cooperative agreements, state that those instruments are optional, and discretionary programs. Numerous court decisions have held that permits are revocable and can be canceled at any time (apparently by either party, prior to development of the authorized improvement). Practically, all statutes specifically referring to grazing permits state that the issuance of such agreements grants no right, title, or interest in or to the underlying lands.” ( McIntosh and Fowler pg 31)
    Recent decisions by the United States Court of Federal claims ( Hage v. United States, 1996 and 2002), determined that if the requirement to obtain a grazing permit is so burdensome as to deprive a rancher of his property, then he could not be required to obtain the permit. This reasoning is in complete harmony with the decision of the United States Supreme Court in Curtin v. Benson, (1911) ( McIntosh and Fowler pg 29)
    I would like to credit DRAFT RITF REPORT no. 56 Property Rights on Western Ranches: Federal Range land Policy and a Model for Valuation by Dr. McIntosh and Dr. Fowler.
    The Nevada engineer issued this report regarding the estate of Wayne E. Hage vs the Forest Service, Bureau of Land Management pg 24 and pg 25 “However, he further recognized that existing water rights that pre-date any water rights that may be claimed pursuant to the implied reservation of rights doctrine are superior to any reserved rights of the federal government.”
    STATE OF NEVADA OFFICE OF THE STATE ENGINEER
    ORDER OF DETERMINATION
    IN THE MATTER OF THE DETERMINATION OF THE RELATIVE
    RIGHTS IN AND TO THE WATERS OF
    MONITOR VALLEY-SOUTHERN PART ( 140-b)
    NYE COUNTY, NEVADA
    R. MICHEAL TURNIPSEED, P.E.
    STATE ENGINEER
    SEPTEMBER 15, 1998

  • ROHBAR

    https://youtu.be/_RgSL7zWo8Q , the wives of the incarcerated Bundy men come aboard with a message of motivation and hope. They are telling what the Nazi’s are doing to them and put in jail for trumped up charges! the same garbage which happened at Wacko, Texas and Ruby Ridge! Wake up America!

  • ROHBAR

    https://youtu.be/QCfpD72j-iYThe Watchman News 01/17/2016 Lorri Anderson Gov Employee’s Laughing about Stealing Land! BLM criminal activities!

  • Shushannah Rodgers

    You’re absolutely correct about that! This lawless government doesn’t imprison the lawbreakers, only peaceful protesters.

  • BarbedStar

    Do your damn homework!

  • TNUGA

    I’ve done my homework. If you have done yours, you would be able to support your comment!